Etymology of “earth” and “great groups of words”

I have posted this in forum.wordreference.com/showpost.php?p=7376707&postcount=74. i add at 22:05 (utc+4, summer moscow time): this post is deleted again in the web-forum. i had written it several times after post #73 in Etymology: Earth topic and it was deleted several times with leaving place of post and reason, now they are deleted completely.
Hello. In tatar(a turkic) language it is “jir” (written “җир”). It is quite similar to “terra” and “ge”. There are also words “yir”(written “ер” pronunciated “йыр”) and “yor” (written “йөр”, means “walk”, “go”). “yir” means to go pushing something to right and left side by bottom part and may be right and left sides and may be destroying that material, can be used with melt(?) erth, mud(?) and with water (to go in not deep water) and with grass and with grass that cutten off and lay on earth and anything that is such/enough soft . “y” and “j” sounds often replaced in modern tatar language in different places and people. May be that “jir” is from sound of going through such material and also it is like sound of ploughing, plowing(?). “yir” can also become ” ‘ard ” tis way: beginning “y” becomes ” ‘ ” (hamza, written in arabic “ء” and this sound is in french language as i know: d’… . ) and very old and common “t” suffix added and made noun/past participle from verb. And yir-t meant “what appears after ‘yir’ing” and it is earth which indeed become visible itself only if to push to sides grass or if plough or dig top layer of earth with grass and roots of grass. What I think about t suffix: it has modified to forms “n” and “l” also. “-ed”,”-et”,”-ne” makes past simple and past participle in english: lef-t, go-ne, “-do”-“-to”-“-di”-“-ti” makes form like past simple or present perfect in tatar: yor-do, “-l” makes form like past simple or present perfect in russian: sdela-l, dela-l. also that “yir” word is in a great group of words with meanings like strew, comb, spread, open and derived from them and pronunciations like tar, sar, taz, saz, nar, yar, naz, yaz, tes, res etc. For example may be english words say, sail, sale, sand are in this group. Some of these words i have collected in my notebook: — – i delete address this time because moderator says it is self promotion but i still think it is link to material , you can browse other pages and djvu format version of it from — page on that site and there is mirror of the site address of which i do not post this time .
Words with meaning “red” could be derived from words meaning “earth” as color of earth. Among them also tatar “saro”, english “yellow”, russian “zeltiy” which mean “yellow”; and english “gray” and tatar “soro” and russian “seriy” which mean “grey”; and russian “korichneviy” which means “brown”; and english “red” and tatar “qizil” and russian “krasniy” which mean “red”. By the way words meaning “green” are also in that group of words but they are as color of grass and words meaning grass are in that group together with words meaning hair etc like them because they are something that spread their branches. (Hair is “chach” in tatar, grass is “chiram” in tatar and “trava” in russian, green is “zeleniy” in russian and “yashil” in tatar.)
By the way this group of word are together because all they have sound of t-r-d-z-s-y-n-l group of sounds as first and last-third consonant and some almost any vowel as second-middle vowel. also that consonants can modify to k-g-q from s-ch and from y and can modify to w from y and q-g and then w can modify to b-p-f-v , words with b-p-f-v derived such way from d-z-r-l-n are rare, i think.
If to take to account that group of sounds, ‘ar part of ‘ard and ear part of earth are in that “great group of words”. Also rd part of ‘ard and rth part of earth can be root part of them and they also in that group of words.
Another great group of words (that (also) i have found/have found myself) are “sap”-“qap” group of words which appeared from sound of closing something or stepping foot to earth or stone.
I will post this also to my english blog link to which i do not dare to post because moderator already has deleted one my post.
Please do not delete my links (or post)… Now there is no link….

End of post as it is at the web-forum.

You can see that great group of words like “ser” at qdb.110mb.com/tattyazmagif/qaradaft50.gif. You can browse pages of that notebook in gif and djvu formats at http://qdb.110mb.com/tattyazmaindex.htm. There is mirror of this site at http://qdb.narod.ru/.

9 Comments

  1. qdinar says:

    i have said about this in #english channel at FreeNode irc network and a person there said some his knowledges, i hope he will write them as comment here.

  2. qdinar says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprachbund – … also known as a linguistic area, convergence area, diffusion area or language crossroads – is a group of languages that have become similar in some way because of geographical proximity and language contact. …

  3. qdinar says:

    now i think probably “terra” appeared separately/independently from “jir” and “ard”, from onomatopoeia “ter” meaning “rub rotten tree”, for example, “rub rotten tree” in russian is “тереть трухлявое дерево”-“teret truhleavoye derevo”. look what i have written at http://etymology-ru.livejournal.com/324784.html?thread=2814896#t2814896 (in russian) .

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